Darth Rutherford

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  Which way would you run?

  by usualusername in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm7yawpx1mc&feature=bf_next&list=fl868j_zisuing3g1hj8rtjw.

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  which way would you run?.

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  I would run AWAY... any direction away from him! Yikes!
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  I'm not a camper. I don't see the point in pretending you are homeless

  by wha happened? in

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  i used to camp alot as a kid.

  i was in cub scouts and boy scouts.

  dad and i went to lot's of camping trips.

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  I'm with Found Sheep. Nothing like waking up in the morning to the smells, sights, and sounds of nature. Love camping near a river and listening to it all night. Hot coffee or cocoa in the morning. Or sitting up late at night with good friends sipping on some whiskey telling stories around a nice fire.

  Geez... I want to go camping now!
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  "They took no note" - ?

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
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  a friend and i talked on the phone recently, and he read matthew 24:36-38 from 3 different versions of the bible.

  the various renderings indicated that the citizenry were not aware of a coming judgment nor did they suspect anything, giving rise to the thought: what did noah preach (if anything)?

  likewise, were people in areas far removed from noah's alleged ark building apprised of his monumental feat?

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  @bats: That is incredible! What a list of scriptures to prove a point! Love it! Going to mark that. Can't wait to show others!

  Thank you very much!
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  "They took no note" - ?

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a friend and i talked on the phone recently, and he read matthew 24:36-38 from 3 different versions of the bible.

  the various renderings indicated that the citizenry were not aware of a coming judgment nor did they suspect anything, giving rise to the thought: what did noah preach (if anything)?

  likewise, were people in areas far removed from noah's alleged ark building apprised of his monumental feat?

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  The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures (published by WT) renders the Greek text of Matthew 24:39 literally as: "and not they knew until came the cataclysm." Just as you discovered, the Greek shows that the people of Noah's time simply did not know the deluge was coming until the day it arrived.

  However, in the same reference material WT translates the verse: "and they took no note until the flood came". The implies something different -that the people were warned but ignored the warning.

  It seems taking "no note" is a rendering that better agrees with the WT ministry. Imagine that!

  In reality, Jesus was simply teaching that people would not know the day and the hour until it arrived. He clearly stated this three verse earlier at Matthew 24:36. If only the WT learned that lesson.

  This is a great example of WT molding the scripture to match its belief, rather than allowing its belief to be molded by the scripture. Hmmmm.... what did Peter say about those "twisting" the Scriptures? (2 Peter 3:16)
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  the false prophets.

  by serein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are jehovahs wittneses a prophet of god.. are the govening body a prophet of the true and living,.

  god?

  there are two ways to find out.

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  ThinkAboutIt... you're absolutely right. All churches are false prophets. The apostasy from the true faith would continue until Christ actually returns. No ifs, ands, or buts.

  Luke 21:8 shuts down every Witness when I explain it to them. They cannot overcome it. However, most shrink back and take another blue pill.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/217255/1/Luke-21-8-Who-Should-We-Really-Avoid
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  Who has had this year's invitation personally delivered by elders?

  by biometrics in

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  had two elders personally visit me today to deliver the rejection of christ memorial invitation.

  they were hanging around the front gate for a while because our dog (labrador) woudn't let them in.. my wife let them in the yard / house.

  when they asked if i'd be going i smiled and said "thank you for the invitation", then quickly changed the subject.

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  No invitation here either.

  Actually, no visits or calls at all since I asked them to explain why Jesus isn't my mediator. Hmmm....
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  Animosity Toward Inactive Ones

  by EmptyInside in

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  i don't understand why many witnesses are cold toward inactive ones.

  aren't they supposed to want to help them and encourage them?.

  i know of a young woman,i've known forever,who married a non-witness,and hasn't been to the meetings for awhile.

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  NewChapter... Wow! Sounds like you went to my congregation!
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Memorial of Christ’s Death

  by Greybeard in

  1. watchtower
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  have you ever been invited to someones home for dinner, but not eaten any of the food?

  only sat there and watched them eat?

  what purpose would that serve?

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  Greybeard, thank you for that article. I appreciate it very much.

  The other day, I was trying to reason John 6 with a couple of Witness friends over dinner. I asked them if they want everlasting life. Of course, they said yes. I then explained that Jesus was speaking about just that: "everlasting life" - life in general regardless of whether it will be in heaven or on earth. We must eat his flesh and drink his blood in order to have that everlasting life. If we don't partake, we have no everlasting life.

  However, they responded that this only applies to the anointed.

  I then explained, if what they say is true, then Jesus words at John 17:3 must also only apply to the anointed, since he was speaking of "everlasting life" there as well. If what they say is true, then only the anointed must gain accurate knowledge; and for those not anointed, it must not be necessary.

  They had no response.

  It's not about whether one is going to heaven or not. Those are anxieties that the Witnesses have created for themselves. Jesus compared himself to the manna that was sent by God from heaven. Everyone ate of the manna; therefore, everyone must eat the bread of his flesh to live forever.

  Now, let's say they are right, and I'm not supposed to partake; but, I do. If I do so with a clean conscience out of obedience to Jesus, then partaking may not credit me, but my obedience won't condemn me either. If I am not chosen to partake, then there's no amount of bread eaten that can change that; however, I trust that my Lord will mercifully understand that I was trying to follow his direction.

  However, if I am supposed to partake, yet I do not; how will my Lord feel when I explain I did not obey his words because men told me it was wrong. Men told me that I could gain everlating life and not eat his flesh and drink his blood. I reckon my Lord will probably remind me that I should not have put my trust in nobles. (Ps. 146:3) There will be no excuse for not obeying his clear command at John 6.
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  Pros about being a jehovah's witness

  by raxxxx in

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  can you personally think of any pros of being a jws?

  anything that you have experienced that was and still is beneficial to you now from when u were a jw?.

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  Aside from learning to speak to an audience, debating one-on-one, living a disciplined life, enduring peer pressure, and avoiding lifestyles that could have been detrimental to my health, I have to admit they also taught me a basic understanding of the Bible.

  Now, don't get me wrong, I absolutely disagree with much of their doctrine. Nevertheless, they taught me the basic importance of the Bible. The problem for them is that I used my respect and love for the Bible as a standard to which the WT itself does not adhere. How can they call the meeting "Bible Study" when they rarely use the Bible in it? It was actually reading the Bible that opened my eyes to the WT doctrine.
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  Happy Are the Merciless

  by Darth Rutherford in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently the local kingdom hall had a local needs talk in which they expressed how too many people were listening to the meeting via the telephone connection.

  as a result, they've changed the code necessary to listen to the meeting.

  only qualified individuals (homebound, bedfast, etc) will be allowed to call in and listen to a meeting.

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  Totally agree with all of you. Pontoon... you may have hit the nail on the head. I never thought about that. Great point!

  You know how the WT constantly likens itself to the Israelites. Well, isn't the phone hookup similiar to the Israelite provision of "gleaning"? Gleaning was the process of gathering the portion of the crop that was left behind by the harvesters. According to God's law, harvesters weren't to reap the edges of the fields, thus making a provision for the poor and afflicted of the land. These less fortunate ones could come and harvest from the crops left behind. Gleaning was a provision to ensure all had food on the table.

  People calling and listening via the phones are "gleaning" from the meeting. Due to circumstances undefined they aren't getting to partake of the bulk of the meeting-harvest, but the phone allows them to still get a portion of it. Nevertheless, the self-righteous pharisees have stopped the gleaning process so that the spiritually weak go hungry.

  The funny thing is that I've been saying for months how there is a lack of genuine love at the Hall. Of course, the majority obediently scoff at the statement. Then the elders turn around and do this?! Wow! How much more obvious does it have to be?

  You know... if a significant portion of the congregation is listening instead of actually attending, you would think the elders would take a step back and ask themselves if it's something THEY are - or are not - doing! But, as always, the threatened make an accusation that there's a witch among them, then they sit back, smile, and watch the congregation burn him or her at the stake. Ta da! No more threat!

  Baltar (by the way... love BSG), you're right - it's slowly tearing apart. How much more obvious when we're standing outside. I still feel sorry for those disillusioned on the inside. How they are grasping to hold onto anything in the darkness. But, on the positive side, it could very well be the catalyst that points them in our direction!